Thanks for the sight information regarding scenery for New Zealand, that will be helpful for those flying the NZAR.
With regard to the DC-3 and Milford Sound, when I do the flight plans for this type of event including the GAAR I like to base it on real world operations. You may be able to fly a DC-3 into Milford on a simulator but defininatly not in the real world. You may get the aircraft in but you would never be able to fly it out again. This is not because of runway length but the topography that surrounds the airfield, the runway at Milford is a one way operation and a DC-3 would never out climb the surrounding mountains on take-off, hence I would never include this airport in a rally as many that fly our rallies like to fly the DC-3.
March this year my wife and I did a 12 day air tour of the North and South Islands of NZ in a DC-3 operated by Fly DC3 NZ (ZK-DAK), we did visit Milford Sound on the tour but our aircraft had to land at Te Anau and then we went to Milford by coach.
Thanks again for your input as all inputs to the forum are most welcome, enjoy flying in New Zealand.
Rob, Thank you for your return and explanations. The NZAR 2015 gave me the opportunity to discover New Zealand, country and airports or airfields, although it is now clear to me that flying on a simulator is somewhat more permissive than real life. Anyway, be sure I will enjoy flying the NZAR 2016! Blue skies Philippe
I like to fly my sim as realistic as possible as many do. I guess it is inbread in me after 51 years with the airlines but now retired, the sim allows me to keep my hand in just that little bit. Good fun and a great community.
Post by gooneybird565 on Sept 14, 2016 15:55:39 GMT
Not willing to die completely stupid...
Am somehow confused by the target times for legs 6 and above, as I generally fly my DC-3 as per the numbers... For leg 5, including one full stop landing on the way, thus one approach and arrival pattern + a departure and climb, I could achieve a flight time very close to the target time assigned for these total 115 NM. For leg 6, 118 NM, and including a left hand pattern downwind entry at destination, I achieved the flight in more than 10 minutes less than the assigned target time. Leg 7, 124 NM, is given with a target time of 56.37 minutes. I assume there is something I am not understanding properly, as I can not figure where is the trap in these flight time differences...
I am flying P3D v3.3.5, and the departure situation files are loading properly, as far as I can check...
In advance thank you for bringing some reflection stuff to my poor neurons
Hi Philippe, Thanks for your post. Allan would be able to explain how he calculates the target times better than myself, but I do know he has a formula for it. It does seem strange if you have not had target time troubles up until leg 6.
I am not sure how accurate any of the sims are with the DC-3 even flying by the numbers. Looking through the roster, all the speeds seem a little high for those flying the 3, in real world ops a 3 would normally cruise at around 140 kts in still air. You may get a few more kts to of her with new engines and a pristine slippery aircraft.
When I did the test flying for the event I also used a DC-3 for each leg, naturally I was not flying to a target time sorting out various scenario's for the event. I flew the event or parts thereof up to 4 times using the old boxed FSX, Orbx NZ and REX soft clouds. I went back on my average PIREP times for legs 6 to 10. Leg 6.......106 minutes Leg 7........64 minutes Leg 8........94 minutes Leg 9.........can't find Leg 10......56 minutes
Maybe Allan can explain more in regard to the computer stuff as my computer knowledge is just slightly above the ON/ OFF button. My only suggestion would be to lower your airspeed or go sightseeing before landing. :-) Hope that this may help a little.
Post by gooneybird565 on Sept 15, 2016 7:02:34 GMT
Rob, Thank you for your return. I am flying Manfred Jahn / Jan Visser C-47 v3 (starting usually with 120 gallons in each main tank), which, as for v2, is a quicker flyer and lower avgas burner than the MAAM-SIM DC-3, which has been my working horse for a long time. With the MJ/JV bird, when I say I fly by the numbers, this is not completely correct, as I happen to reduce the MAP to 29, and sometimes 28, to stay as close as possible to the usual 140 kts KIAS. I doubt the FT4 timer was wrong on this particular leg, and I will fly it again. Whatever result, I will keep it as is, as the actual fun is just to be part of this very nice event! Blue skies Philippe
Post by gooneybird565 on Sept 15, 2016 8:48:12 GMT
Rob, Ok, did fly leg 6 a second time, 2000ft higher than previous flight, and going very easy on MAP, throttle, etc..., cool and easy descent to Wanaka, and still a full left hand pattern at destination. Still 7 minutes under the target time . But will keep it at this figure. @+ Philippe
As you say, the event is just for fun with no prize for coming first, glad that you are enjoying. If you are arriving early would you mind organising the beer, wine and BBQ for the incoming arrivals........:-)
Just on a side note, how are you finding P3D, I have steam at present but have been thinking of getting P3D if it is better. I do have administrative rights with Bluegrass, so if it would suit you better, I could send you an email to discuss P3 rather than here on the forum.
Post by gooneybird565 on Sept 15, 2016 14:02:59 GMT
No worries, mate, to care for those nice little things that let pilots enjoy life
No problem for a direct e-mail about P3D either, my fellow. I had no other choice than P3D, as all of a sudden, my PC did encounter various display troubles when I attempted to move my FSX to DX10. And this was not painful to me, as I had mostly aircrafts and meshes, but nearly no scenery. Most FSX native aircrafts are OK for P3D, but those ported over from FS9 to FSX may be troublesome. When switching to P3D, had to abandon my dear ol' MAAM-SIM DC-3 in its hangar... Regarding sceneries, I have no useful experienc in that range, therefore might be a test and try story... Otherwise, with P3D, we are pretty certain that the core package will remain in constant evolution. But both sims can reside on the same HDD without trouble.
Post by Allan Lowson on Sept 15, 2016 20:59:15 GMT
I've been away for a week with sporadic and vague internet access - the roster updates took several tries over the weekend. The target times have had a fudge factor applied to cover the extra flight distance to get round the weather on certain legs.
While this should reflect the extra cruise time for Ron's extra flight distance, there is no way to accurately allow for everyone's interpretation of how much route diversion the weather requires.
Perhaps French pilots are made of sterner stuff than Australians!
Post by gooneybird565 on Sept 16, 2016 7:26:03 GMT
I guess I got my answer, which is weather conditions... I understand real life pilots check weather chart before taking off. Unfortunately, I newer found how to check weather chart in FSX or P3D... But I am so confident that my old Gooney Bird will bring me safe at destination through nicest to ugliest weather, that I am definetely an adept of the straight line... Hum... Okay folks, back to flight school for some additional training and updating my flight planning techniques...
Post by Allan Lowson on Sept 17, 2016 13:50:40 GMT
I shared a flat in London with several Aussies, ehhm a decade or four ago, and well remember the danger of accidentally jumping the queue for the bathroom in the morning. Wrestling crocodiles would be safer than crossing a particular redhead as I recall.
You blokes are pansies, I wrestle huntsman spiders on a daily basis and I've never had one beat me to the morning shower, And grey headed too !!
Hey fellas, it has been a good event and really well put together. My only sim surprise was finding Wanaka in a one sided canyon of sorts, a shame as I grew to really like the place at the '02 Air Show when I saw the RNZAF doing very fancy things with an ex aussie B727 and later on I got a ride in the fabulous PBY-5A including a touch down on the lake. I guess one could become used to the hull-on-water noise, startling !! But my modified Wanaka terrain was no doubt due to the scenery add-ons I am using.
Thanks a lot for all the work you have done/are doing and I am looking forward to some other adventure sometime. So, I have an idea....cheers, Ed